ICs with infiltrate can not confer infiltrate to units that do not have it. There is no grey area, it simply can not happen. It’s got nothing to do with the Infiltrate rule and whether of not infiltrate confers. The rule says that it does. However, there is no way to attach an IC to a non infiltrating unit which will allow the combined unit to take advantage of the rule.
Imagine this – you have a Farsight Bomb and Shadowsun. You
want to infiltrate the Bomb – simple, the infiltrate rule says the rule confers
to the unit, so you attach Shadowsun to the Bomb and away you go. Well no… and
the answer is no, because of the IC rules, and the deployment sequence.
ICs can only attach to units at the start of the game (i.e.
allowing the unit to benefit from infiltrate) in 2 ways – either by being
deployed in coherency with the unit, or by being placed in reserve with the
unit and declaring to your opponent that’s what you have done. These are the only 2 way it can happen.
The deployment sequence is first normal deployment, then
infiltrate, then everything else is in reserve (from which one can deep strike
or outflank, but that doesn’t matter). Shadowsun can take advantage of all three
deployment options. However, only units with infiltrate can infiltrate (duh!). This
is important, because when you come to deploy the Bomb, they do not have
infiltrate, because Shadowsun has not yet joined them. She can only join them after
they deploy, by being placed in coherency with them.
So when you come to deploy the Bomb you only have 2 choices,
either they are deployed on the table, or they are kept in reserve.
If you deploy them on the table, you can attach Shadowsun by
placing her in coherency. The problem is that both units are now on the table
deployed. You can’t then take them off and infiltrate them. Alternatively you
could keep the bomb in reserve, and attach Shadowsun to them in reserve.
However, by then both units are in reserve, and the combined unit has missed its
chance to infiltrate.
So either way, you can not attach Shadowsun to a Farsight
Bomb and infiltrate them.
Nor need people worry about Illic Nightspear, the new Eldar IC infiltrating Wraithguard right in front of your gun line first turn, same problem applies.
EYIG
Sorry, but declaring people just straight wrong on this is not the way to do it, when the rules are actually very vague. People are only reading what they want to see.
ReplyDeleteCheck the rules for dedicated transports, where it refers to a IC joining a unit before deployment. So yes, at the very least you can deploy in your transport via infiltrate with an IC that confers it.
What impact does this cause? 1 It refers to joining before deployment, 2, It breaks the rule you are so zealously quoting that there are only two way to join a squad.
Lets also look at Shrikes amendment that everyone likes to misread. For starters, it is from 5th ed, and was never changed. Secondly, it does not give him the ability to join a squad before deployment, despite what everyone wants you to believe. It says basically "shrike and any model in a unit chosen from codex space marines that he has joined before deplyment benefit from infiltrate"
Not that he can, but if he did, they would gain infiltrate, but how could he due to the rules? So we have yet another incident which eludes to joining before deployment.
Also, everyone is crying cause they think illic putting wraithgaurd in front of their lines is uber cheese. 1, people dealt with old flamers which would just appear and roast a squad as well.
ReplyDelete2, his infiltrate with out limitation is a unique rule, and thus does not confer to the squad by default, unless it says so (now I haven't read his rules, so I don't know for sure how it is worded)